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This is advertising through bid bot stacking. This post should be downvoted but not because it's undesirable or bad but because you cannot allow advertisements to make money on Steem. If that happens we will have Trending full of them, in which case anyone stumbling upon Steem for the first time will not give Steem the time of day.

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Downvoted the post because I agree with what is said here.

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I participate in the @cateredcontent contests because
1.- This contest challenges me to create original content
2.- This contest challenges me to read and learn about new projects.
3.-I learn from new ventures.
4.-@cateredcontent Value my effort.

In Steemit it is a lie that values unique and quality content. I have seen whale crap that do not deserve an upvote and yet their posts receive up to more than 500 and nobody puts them flag.

Steem is not helping the little ones, there is no encouragement, just more restrictions and censorship. If this continues, people will continue to abandon.

I am here, because I need to earn money, to waste my time I would use Facebook.

Upvoted and Resteemed as always!

Thanks @cateredcontent, thanks to you I was able to fill my fridge with the rewards I receive.

But Steemit Inc. does make money off of ads and you agree with that,isn't there something wrong with that reasoning? And at least if I don't want to see something from CC we don't open the post but Steemit ads are there whether we want to see them or not. I am saying this because you say "you cannot allow advertisements to make money on Steem", so we are either for or not, it is the same thing advertisement is advertisement.

It sounds to me like you haven't understood my argument at all. The problem is that with bid bots it is possible to buy votes to have your post in Trending while gaining at least as much in author rewards as one has paid for the votes. Vote buying used to be effectively free of charge. That is, any advertiser could come and buy votes from bid bots while getting all the attention from having their post in Trending - for free or even with a positive return on investment! Before HF 21, Trending used to be filled with shitposts and advertisements. Why not? It was free of cost to put them there. That devalued the whole platform.

The goal should be to downvote everything voted by bid bots in Trending so as to make the organically curated content preferred by the voting community dominate it. That way, Steemit will look attractive instead of a garbage pile of shit posts and advertisements.

I really don't agree with you, if you are against advertising you are against advertising. As for trending it is still completely full of shit posts except now instead of bid bots it is now down to circle jerks. There are a few dozen people for whom HF21 has been a God send for the rest of us it sucks.

I really don't agree with you, if you are against advertising you are against advertising.

My central point was that advertisers cannot be allowed to receive more money in rewards than they pay in paying for votes. Which part of this do not not understand? I'm all for advertisers advertising on Steem as long as they pay for it.

As for trending it is still completely full of shit posts except now instead of bid bots it is now down to circle jerks.

I disagree on the those posts being actual shit posts. They're not. But they're not great and the not of the kind that would attract a great deal of attention from the outside. Improving PoB is a work in progress. Forcing the bid bots to become manual curators in less than a month has been a huge success.

There are a few dozen people for whom HF21 has been a God send for the rest of us it sucks.

A few dozen? I think you're at best polarizing things way out of proportion.

I can tell you HF21 sucks the most for bid bot abusers, the bid bot operators and various spammers. It's the free downvotes that have done it.

By the way, I checked out your blog. I didn't see much change because of HF 21.

Can you point out some struggling authors you consider to be particularly deserving who have been shafted by HF21?

Nearly all, just take me for example, I don't post good material so I don't expect much but before I was getting about $0.40 per post now I get $0.16 (obviously I don't live off of Steem) and even then I will get less percentage off of those $0.16 than I would have gotten before HF21, this is the same for all writers except those few who have gotten in the know, post just claiming that #newsteem is great (like "Now I am getting great curation rewards and their votes are worth $0.04 so now they get $0.10 more a day) and somehow get a vote from HF21 promoters. Now if you only read posts from the people who are making much more now than before because a circle jerk has formed there is no way you will know this is true.
I have no problem with people on this circle jerk making money what I have a problem with is these guys are promoting a fake reality Steemit is no better off now and in fact it is in worse shape than before HF21.

Nearly all, just take me for example,

I'm not asking this just to score points in a debate. I actually want to find greatly under-rewarded authors to vote on and to promote. My own maximum upvote value is only around 8-9 cents at the moment. But my network is much more valuable.

I don't post good material so I don't expect much but before I was getting about $0.40 per post now I get $0.16 (obviously I don't live off of Steem) and even then I will get less percentage off of those $0.16 than I would have gotten before HF21,

The reason for that is the sub-linear part of the curve that causes every post that makes less than about 20 STEEM to make somewhat less than before. It was introduced because there is so much low-level abuse going on that remains under the radar. It has hurt legitimate new authors who make less than before. Better curation incentives are supposed to remedy that. Please try and come up with at least a few accounts you find worth considering.

this is the same for all writers except those few who have gotten in the know, post just claiming that #newsteem is great (like "Now I am getting great curation rewards and their votes are worth $0.04 so now they get $0.10 more a day) and somehow get a vote from HF21 promoters. Now if you only read posts from the people who are making much more now than before because a circle jerk has formed there is no way you will know this is true. I have no problem with people on this circle jerk making money what I have a problem with is these guys are promoting a fake reality Steemit is no better off now and in fact it is in worse shape than before HF21.

The whole platform is definitely not in worse shape than before HF21, in my opinion. At least something is being done about the abuse. Curation is increasingly being taken seriously by the big wigs. Both Bernie and Haejin have stopped fucking around. I never thought I'd see that.

You've been here since August 2016 and you have only 268 SP. How is that possible? I became active almost a year later. You have made about 1700 posts. I have made about 1500. I've made 9500 comments. You have made about 4800 comments. My posts make more than yours. I don't make Steem Monsters posts or Actifit posts. For the last year, I've been making photography posts with 5-10 photos taken with a DSRL in RAW format and edited with editing software or essays one or two pages long almost on a daily basis. What people do here adds up. Getting curated and whitelisted for @ocdb was a big deal last Christmas. But that happened because I'd bought the camera and learned how to take photos and because I'd stayed the course in the brutal bear market. I've always written a lot of comments and I consistently score well in @abh12345's curation league that measures how widely people curate. People remember me.

Well you see I do have to make the Actifit posts, that is just to keep myself aware that I have to make those 10,000 steps every day, and it has worked I have lost over 20 lbs and a lot of belly fat. As for only having 268 SP well I have withdrawn about $1,000.00 worth of Steem sometimes I do get into financial straits and it has helped out. Do I regret it? Not really I would have about 1,500 SP if I hadn't done that. As for you having achieved more than I, I think you didn't understand what I meant by this " I don't post good material so I don't expect much", I think that should explain much of it. See this isn't personal, I am not so conceited that I think I deserve more because I know I don't, what really irks me is that for example that reward curve idea, it is killing people who actually are scoring benefits every day from their Steemit posts like people from some African countries or Venezuela, all this hard fork has done is just cut their rewards in half so if before thanks to Steemit they were able to buy one meal now they only get half of that.
Now I am from a third world country Honduras, and I think that in fact we have more poverty than Venezuela, but we don't have the problem of a rapidly devaluating coin, so getting money in a foreign currency is not that big a help for us except of course if we are talking of hundreds of dollars. And even though I have taken out Steem to patch up some problems there is no way that with what I make here I could even pay for my internet connection.

Well you see I do have to make the Actifit posts, that is just to keep myself aware that I have to make those 10,000 steps every day, and it has worked I have lost over 20 lbs and a lot of belly fat.

That's fine. I don't see a problem with making Actifit posts. And yes, you said you don't expect them to
make much. But why lament the fact that they are not paying not even as much as they were prior to HF21? How much are they worth to the stakeholders of Steem collectively or the outside world?

As for only having 268 SP well I have withdrawn about $1,000.00 worth of Steem sometimes I do get into financial straits and it has helped out. Do I regret it? Not really I would have about 1,500 SP if I hadn't done that.

I see.

As for you having achieved more than I, I think you didn't understand what I meant by this " I don't post good material so I don't expect much", I think that should explain much of it. See this isn't personal, I am not so conceited that I think I deserve more because I know I don't, what really irks me is that for example that reward curve idea, it is killing people who actually are scoring benefits every day from their Steemit posts like people from some African countries or Venezuela, all this hard fork has done is just cut their rewards in half so if before thanks to Steemit they were able to buy one meal now they only get half of that.

It is not the purpose of Steem to pay for the meals of anybody who isn't providing commensurate value. The curve was introduced to take away the rewards from the spammers and the low-level vote farmers so that more would be left for the community-oriented honest content creators. I've seen a lot of low-effort posting and plagiarizing done by a lot of people here, particularly from South Asia. Back in the spring of 2018, there was one guy who used to beg for handouts in the comment section of my blog and that of a friend of mine. I think he was from India. I looked at his blog and asked him to make better posts. I told him I'd gladly help him if he posted stories about ordinary life in his town with photographs or about the local economy, climate or politics or something like that. Anything. He couldn't bring himself to try. I follow and support good Indian bloggers. And I also have supported and donated liquid funds to people in tough situations. Those people were in the Philippines, Nigeria, Russia and South Korea. (I don't like it when the largest accounts exploit the system, either. But recently, there has been a remarkable shift in the behavior of some of the worst of them.)

At the same time, curation was made more profitable so as to motivate curators, which is why I am here now. I'm your #newsteem. Please give me a list of people you interact with and who you think deserve better rewards and I'll take a look at their content.

I agree and have enthusiastically downvoted it. This is bid bot abuse.
Also,

To anyone upvoting or especially resteeming this for 1 Steem: You should be ashamed of yourselves and reflect on how your actions are harmful for the community.

Just flag and move along, cateredcontent helps a ton of minnows get some steem. You sound miserable, nobody cares about your flags, CC will still thrive... have a good day don't @ me.

Hello.

  1. Well then...Just read and move along. I like to mention why I am flagging. I see this as a courtesy. Don't you?
  2. I think cateredcontent is a nuisance to the community. It is feeding minnows poison not Steem.
  3. I am not miserable. If you don't care about my flags, why do you bring it up? I think you do care very much. Are you being sarcastic?
  4. What a useless platitude. I hope CC rewards you well. Long live CC.
  5. I didn't @ you or anyone else. Do you think dishonesty is acceptable?

It seems, the community thinks different
:)

I take offense that you consider the people resteeming this 'the community'

To me it is just a list of accounts that are willing to dance like monkeys for ~ 0.16 USD.

Don't kid yourself, no one would be resteeming this if you were not paying them to resteem this.

Mostly I see low quality accounts jumping on this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

What is the community?
Your voting trail?
The 100 user in Trending?

Of course there are a lot of "low quality" accounts jumping on it, better and faster to earn 1 Steem than they would make by posting in a week.

But if you read the instructions, you don't have to resteem it.
You just have to comment that you have resteemed it ;)
And I agree, without the 1 Steem dance monkey money, it would not be resteemed by any of them

You have no right to tell people what they should or should not do. You have the right to use your account how you will and others have the right to use their accounts as they will and rewards will come out how they do.

I don't wish anything but politeness between us, but I find your lack of respect for free-will to be terrible. If Steem has to become a cult that attacks any dissent from the will of the whales in order for STEEM to go up, then I don't mind if it dies.

In protest I shall do this:

Upvoted and Resteemed...

You have no right to tell people what they should or should not do.]

That is an infringement on my freedom of speech, good sir!

I am not sure what you are protesting. I haven't threatened anyone or restricted the rights of anyone. I've simply stated my opinion and I stand by it.

I hope you see how your statement is contradictory.

I'm not restricting your free will. I'm trying to encourage better behavior.

Steem is not a platform for bid bot abuse or advertising stuff cheaply.

I don't wish anyone ill will who resteems this junk or writes resteem. I just want you to think that it may not be the best way to use Steem.

Together we can make a difference and see Steem become the number 1 crypto.

Free speech is very important. My point is that there is a difference between articulating what you wish people would do and shaming people. When one shames others they take a stance of being someone of authority to judge others. When I said you have no right to tell people what they should or should not do, which is a common phrase, it indicates that you are a person with an opinion, but not having authority. I merely am pointing out that you have no authority or right to authority over how people use their accounts.

For example:

I don't wish anyone ill will who resteems this junk or writes resteem. I just want you to think that it may not be the best way to use Steem.

This sentence brings out a much different response from me than the one below. I care about quality content reaching the top, if you did not use shaming tactics, I might have shared your view somewhat.

To anyone upvoting or especially resteeming this for 1 Steem: You should be ashamed of yourselves and reflect on how your actions are harmful for the community.

This is not you simply exercising your right of free expression, its the act of shaming. You have attached your own code of ethics to Steem's upvote button, which is fine for you, but you are not anyone's authority figure here. The whole point of POB was to decentralize the voting process, not centralize it under the mentality of a certain demographic on Steem.

I respect your right to upvote what you want and I suppose even downvote what you dislike. As for the rest of us, we did not buy SP so that we would be told how to use it. I will use any account I own however I so wish.

Now, if you happened to use a different approach, you might very well have my support. For example, I feel too many of the same people keep ending up on Trending and I would like to see diversity there. If you tried to make a cultural move (via positive encouragement, not shaming) for people to find and devote their upvotes toward quality content producers with reputations below 60, I would support that.

Thank you for clarifying what you meant. I can't help but notice you resteemed it before you commented on my post and not after. Sadly, you cannot undo resteems and there is usually a warning before doing so. I understand you may regret your actions. I hope you consider what you are resteeming before you jump on prize money again.

I still have no problem calling out and shaming people who resteem junk that is abusive. We need to get people to pay attention and think twice about their actions or this platform is going to crap. No one actually follows the accounts that constantly resteem junk or promote it. It's all fake and it needs to be off trending at any cost.

Obviously, the people who do it regardless would prefer me to mind my own business.

I'm sure I can be more kind and lots of people are, but I want to get attention and I'm glad I have yours. Most people are just using their throw away accounts to promote this. I'm glad to see you have an opinion.

I agree you should use your SP however you wish. I can too and it includes upvotes and especially downvotes.

I might have resteemed it before writing a reply to you, but I did not resteem it before reading your comment and deciding to resteem due to your comment. A lot of people believe that they can query the blockchain and identify behavior, but reality tends to be more complex than the assumptions derived.

Resteeming then responding was merely the order my mind chose, as I tend to make lengthy comments and prefer to get the small tasks done first.

Actually, the truth is that I did not even notice the resteem reward at the bottom of the post (because I stopped reading the post once I saw they were shilling a new blockchain). I only learned about the resteem reward when I saw comments complaining about the resteeming.

Let me get this straight...
You resteemed the post because you got upset that I said resteeming this post should make you feel ashamed.

Indeed. :)

Some would argue that we have Trump as president right now because people got sick of being told what they should think and feel. Honey works better than vinegar...

Lol, most of the commentors here wouldn't agree.
"resteem"

:))

Then education is in order.

I think everyone agrees that a higher STEEM price would be desirable. Steem is a content delivery platform whose main value proposition is crowdsourced content discovery and rewarding by stake-based voting. Trending is a feature of nearly every Steem front end where people can go and check out the most highly rewards content. Trending is the place that gets the most attention on the entire platform.

What do you think happens when it is possible to buy votes and get a positive or zero return for investment when you buy enough votes to get to Trending? Trending will be filled with advertisements like this. What do you think non-Steemians who stumble upon Steemit will do when they are browsing the internet? They check out Trending. If trending is full of advertisements like this, they will conclude that Steem(it) is garbage and will not give it a time of day.

Steemians who upvote bid bot stacked shit like this are thoughtlessly pissing in their own cereals because they're devaluing Trending and thus Steem. No content that the community has organically deemed the most valuable should have any place in Trending except if the authors of that content are making a financial loss by buying the votes to that get them to Trending. The best possible promoted content is that has all the rewards redistributed to the entire community (done by having @null as the beneficiary).

What do you think they see, when they stumble upon Steem these days? Have a look into my Steem Trending Reviews.
It is an echo chamber for maybe 100 users.

Nothing tht is relevant outside of Steem.
As is this ad here :)

What do you think they see, when they stumble upon Steem these days? Have a look into my Steem Trending Reviews.
It is an echo chamber for maybe 100 users.

Nothing tht is relevant outside of Steem.
As is this ad here :)

That's no excuse to allow this ad to have a positive ROI in buying votes to get to Trending!

We should do a better job digging up valuable content from the depths of Steem and upvoting it to the bright daylight in Trending! When you see a piece of unrecognized high-quality content, give it a big upvote and use your network by resteeming it. At some point, it will meet the eyes of people with large stake and you'll collect your high curation rewards.

What are you talking about? This post is a 10.000k Steem giveaway, did you lose your mind? I bet my ass, they did not think about a ROI on their post ... they just needed to reach people...... dafuq make sense if you comment, at least a bit. ROI on a 10k Steem giveaways.... DUDE! R I D I C U L O U S

Calm down.

Both Trending and the reward pool are common resources. This campaign is giving prizes to those who advertise their products. They are not sharing them with the whole community. What the downvotes accomplish is remove pending rewards effectively taking some of the money they have invested in this and give it to every other Steemian, not just those who will advertise their products.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeees! That is right! Echo Chamber of a few.

A trending page full of ads, regardless of how much money is spent, or burned, or declined, is still useless and ugly. I like how the tribes have designated ad slots, clearly marked. One should have to purchase STEEM, then buy the slot, and that STEEM should then be burned. It should be impossible to upvote the ad. I don't pay Walmart for leaving a flyer in my mailbox.

A trending page full of ads, regardless of how much money is spent, or burned, or declined, is still useless and ugly. I like how the tribes have designated ad slots, clearly marked. One should have to purchase STEEM, then buy the slot, and that STEEM should then be burned. It should be impossible to upvote the ad. I don't pay Walmart for leaving a flyer in my mailbox.

That is true. That is precisely why we should double down on downvoting advertisements boosted to Trending. Even if such an advertising slot system were implemented, which should absolutely be done, there is nothing else that can keep the actual content side clean but our downvotes.

i understand where you are coming from but, But there is a contest sideways. its either you focus on the advertisement or the contest.

The contest is nothing but a bribe to make the partaking Steemians to look the other way when reward pool rape occurs.

I think real marketing on Steem through promotion is valid.

Absolutely! But it should cost money! That is, the rewards from the post should be smaller than the bids paid. Or the rewards should be declined or @null should be set as a beneficiary.

Yes, I agree that should be the goal.

I am FOR creating demand. When there are more accounts wanting that visibility there will not be money to be made! :)

We are on the same page.