Lifting quarantine and *allowing* people to go back to the world really is not that bad.

in #coronavirus6 months ago

At the beginning of this (or, if there's another wave or new problem or something), I wasn't that bothered by the quarantine orders and forced shutdowns.

It would be better if it was freely chosen, like "dangerous out there" so people naturally choose to stay home.

But since we have governments telling us what to do, our behavior has kind of gotten used to that and responds to it.

In the absence of government force, there would be an evolution of p2p social norms that would guide us in those ways. There would be some other mechanism.

So since government force is what we have, if it's enough of an emergency then I don't have a big problem with them issuing the shutdowns.

When exactly "it's safe" is murky. But it's funny how there are these people on edge about the possibility that the government might allow activities to resume.

ALLOW.

They have it so backwards. Lifting quarantine is really the soft, cushioned, not possibly super bad thing to do. Because people will still assess the risk for themselves, and you get a decentralized decision.

The biggest point -- kind of the only point -- to the quarantine is really just so that healthcare resources and infrastructure doesn't get overrun.

Other than that, there's no catastrophic downside to people having a yoga class and deciding for themselves if the risks are worth it. It isn't a risk to anyone not willing to expose themselves to it, and everyone else can watch and learn.

At some point a decentralized re-opening really is the way it should happen anyways. If we all sit at home and wait wait wait-- and then they say GO! ..well now it's riskier, to do it all at once.

So if you're waiting for that perfect, 100% "okay no more danger now"-- that won't ever come, and that's actually a dangerous way to look at it.

If you wait until that point, you waited too long.

When people take some cracks at it at their own pace, you get a more gradual discovery, and less chance of causing a big unexpected spike.

So the way people worry...

Like as though wanting to go back out there is the craziest most reckless thing ever.

DON'T DO THAT! DON'T U THINK ABOUT OTHERS??

Ya I do, do you?

It's not like we're talking about breaking into homes and encroaching on people who don't want contact. They can still play it safe. To the contrary, people who badly want to resume their activities but can't are adversely affected by your quarantine order.

I mean it dovetails nicely with in general how they don't like to work and imagine things are just handed to them rather than produced by real people doing things..

But also I think it's their jealousy.

Most of us would see someone opening their hair salon, and even if we thought it was unnecessarily risky, we'd shrug and say good luck. But when you're driven by envy, seeing other people resume activities makes you feel like you're missing something if you don't do it too.

Woe is them if other people are living their life and they're cooped up at home.

So I think that's why it feels totally dangerous to them. Other people doing it gets interpreted as they need to do it too. Or really that everyone needs to do it.

Herd mentality.

Dangerous herd mentality, all-at-once mindset.. and they project and imagine the decentralized way being the reckless thing.

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Sorry what you are suggesting, that every person decides for themselves, is BS, that is being forced back to work. If you don't go back benefits are cut off. Its not that you want to go back, you want to force other people to go back. The people who will have no choice are the low wage earners, the people who can sit at home and decide will be the wealthy. Not acceptable sorry. No one should die because you want a haircut. It won't just be the risk taking barber who opens, they will all have to open or they won't survive. We won't even allow 2nd hand smoke in a business, even if they want to, but you think it should be a businesses choice to force their workers to work in an unsafe environment?

"It's not like we're talking about breaking into homes and encroaching on people who don't want contact.'

I have to avoid you people when I go out to work at my essential job, I wish I could stay home. Every extra non mask wearing virus spreading freedumber on the train increases my risk. If you aren't going to your essential job stay home. Why do you have the right to put me at risk?

"Most of us would see someone opening their hair salon, and even if we thought it was unnecessarily risky, we'd shrug and say good luck. But when you're driven by envy, seeing other people resume activities makes you feel like you're missing something if you don't do it too."

I think its more like you didn't work for two months and no one noticed. What you do in life isn't actually important. 2 months, 6 months, 5 years, how long until someone, somewhere, needs you? I think you are jealous of the people working that society actually needs. If you've been out this long and no one died from your absence , why even bother going back?

Its amazing how many people can't wait to return to an exploitative economic system that benefits their boss

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