Some facts and my opinion

in Threespeaklast year (edited)
  1. At the beginning, old witnesses made a soft-fork secretly without any community consensus to freeze Steemit's funds that could potentially against their benefits.
    -> I think this was the biggest shit I've ever seen in blockchain world

  2. Steemit took over all main witnesses to roll-back the secret update
    -> It's not good - making the situation worse, but I would do that too if someone take my assets I bought at millions of dollars

  3. One guy made 22.4444 version which is exactly the same version as `22.5, but saying that "this is a protest"
    -> I don't get this logic at all. I see that sounds like "OK I will un-freeze your funds, so please give my witness position back". However, it worked on most members in Steem community and the propaganda begins.

  4. Steemit didn't give the witness position back to the old witnesses
    -> Why would they?

  5. Old witnesses finally decided to hard-fork.
    -> This is what they should've done from the first place if they didn't like Steemit's recent acquisition.

  6. People on Hive side spread propaganda like "Capital vs Community" (Revolution!)
    -> Yeah it sounds like the best strategy, but I feel disgusting

  7. Steemit added an article-filtering feature on steemit.com front-end
    -> I think it was a bad move politically because censorship-resistance is actually one of the core value of Steem blockchain. However I doubt "online community with zero censorship" is actually even possible because there will be just full of shit on that anyway.

  8. Hive will do a selective airdrop on community members who against their opinion - https://github.com/openhive-network/hive/blob/0.23.0/libraries/protocol/hardfork.d/0_22.hf#L15 says "Accounts excluded who voted a minimum of two sockpuppets or proxied someone who voted a minimum of two and who didn't unvote before the hive announcement with more than 1k sp"
    -> Wow they used a term "airdrop" on hard-fork. You guys are smart! What was the censorship again? Feel free to exclude my account if you like. I'm fine :)

Cheers,

-- Korean Version --

  1. 메인 증인들이 담합해서 스팀잇 본사의 펀드를 묶어버리는 업데이트를 몰래 단행합니다.
    -> 블록체인 역사에 길이 남을 사건이라고 생각하며 DPoS의 실패에 대한 대표적인 케이스로 두고두고 언급될것 같네요.

  2. 스팀잇은 소유 지분을 사용하여 증인들의 업데이트를 다시 돌려놓고 기존 증인들을 밀어냅니다.
    -> 위의 사건이 상위 증인들의 담합에 의한 DPoS가 파괴된 사건이었다면, 이것또한 한명의 대주주가 블록체인 전체를 컨트롤한 사건으로 역시 역사에 남을 사건인것 같네요. 근데 누가 제가 몇백억 주고 산 자산을 빼앗아가려고 한다면 저라도 그렇게 했을것 같기는 합니다.

  3. 한 증인이 22.4444라는 버전을 올렸는데 사실은 스팀잇의 22.5와 정확히 같은 버전이지만 이름만 다른 버전인데도 불구하고 "이건 저항의 표시이다" 라고 공표합니다.
    -> 이건 정말 논리적으로 이해가 가지 않는 부분인데 대부분의 스팀 해외 커뮤니티에는 잘 먹히더군요. 제가 보기엔 저건 "응 미안해 니꺼 다시 돌려줄게, 우리것도 다시 돌려줘 제발" 이런 뜻인데.. 저런식으로 선동할 수 있는 능력이 참 놀랍더군요. 어쨌든 여기서부터 본격적이 선동이 시작됩니다.

  4. 스팀잇은 타협하지 않습니다.
    -> 스팀잇 입장에서 저런 말도 안되는 선동을 하는 증인들과 굳이 타협을 해야 할 이유가 전혀 없어보입니다.

  5. 고인물 증인들은 드디어 하드포크를 결정합니다.
    -> 전 이게 증인들이 트론의 스팀잇 인수가 맘에 들지 않았다고 하면, 제일 처음에 해야 했을 행동이라고 생각합니다.

  6. 하이브쪽 사람들은 "자본 vs 커뮤니티 혁명" 이라는 프레이즈로 열심히 선동중이며 현재 약 90% 이상의 해외 유져들은 그쪽에 동조하고 있는것 같네요.
    -> 전략적으로 매우 훌륭해 보입니다. 정치판을 보는것 같아 속이 거북하긴 하네요.

  7. 스팀잇은 선동글들을 필터링 하는 기능을 스팀잇 사이트에 업데이트를 합니다.
    -> 제 생각에 이건 별로 안좋은 수였던것 같습니다. 스팀은 DPoS지만 그래도 블록체인이라 검열 저항성이 코어중에 하나인데, 그걸 훼손한 업데이트니까요. 뭐 근데 정말로 검열이 전혀 없는 온라인 커뮤니티가 현실적으로 가능할지는 모르겠네요 ㅎㅎ 온갖 쓰레기들로 도배 될게 거의 확실하니까요.

  8. 하이브는 곧 있을 하드포크때 선별적인 "에어드랍"을 한다고 합니다. (하드포크에서 "에어드랍" 이라는 단어를 쓰는것도 놀랍네요. 참 똑똑한 친구들인것 같습니다. 미국 대선 나가도 될듯..). 에어드랍이라는 단어를 쓰는 이유는 자기네 의견에 동조하지 않는 사람들에게는 토큰을 주지 않기 때문입니다. - https://github.com/openhive-network/hive/blob/0.23.0/libraries/protocol/hardfork.d/0_22.hf#L15
    -> 이번 하이브 "에어드랍"에서 제외되는 계정 명단입니다. 스팀헌트 및 저희 창업 멤버들 개인 계정 포함프록시 토큰에 보팅한 한국 유져들은 모두 제외가 되었네요 ㅎㅎ 음.. 아까 뭐 검열 어쩌구 한것 같은데.. 탈중앙화 커뮤니티? 진짜 맞나요? ㅎㅎ 네 저는 괜찮습니다.

저희는 요즘 사업이 한창 잘 되고 있어서 바빠서 스팀쪽 드라마까지 신경 쓸 겨를이 없었는데, 돌아가는 상황을 보고 있자니 정말 가관이라 한마디 적어봤습니다.

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I kind of agree. A lot of things happened that are ugly on both sides.

cannot agree more with this post.

strongly agree with this. the most centralized and censorship-powered chain is coming! ;D

Everyone knows this is the truth.
They made the whole situation hostile in the first place, and immediately started pushing a false narrative as if this was really a fight between community decentralisation and dictatorship. It's not.

This is a fight for the top.

It's kind of funny seeing you and P7 swearing a bunch now one week after Justin Sun's infamous blog post, when 2+ years prior to that; not one swear word.

I think the truth will be found in future market caps.

I predict HUNT goes well on its way to flipping the Steem price, and when the Steem price is low enough, Sun will go through with his plan to swap Steem tokens with Tron. So Steemit.com and the Hunt platform will officially be Tron apps.

It's clear from the way you write the history that you perspective on the situation is different to mine. It's unlikely we can change that through discussion.

From my POV.
-"1) Secret soft-fork" - this was a defensive, temporary and reversible action, if the right discussion had happened here everything that followed could have been avoided. In my opinion the response that followed then proved that this initial action was in fact the correct thing to do.

Unfortunately this initial action had to be done in secret or the result would have been able to be nullified.

I think the way the 'airdrop' is being handled is not necessarily the best cause of action. My current thoughts are the ninja-mined stake should be moved to a code-driven development fund. All other accounts should receive their funds. I agree it should not be called an 'airdrop'.

I don't think the secret soft-fork was "defensive".
Would you think it's a "defensive" action if someone take your assets you bought at millions of dollars?

Would you think it's a "defensive" action if someone take your assets you bought at millions of dollars?

No I would think it was an "offensive" action if "someone takes [your] assets".

The difference is I don't believe any assets were "taken", they were placed in limbo to allow discussion.

Well, you cannot legally place something that doesn't belong to you in limbo either. It is called the act of taking hostage.

IANAL so can't speak to the legality of the situation. I wouldn't have necessarily done the same thing. I'm sure there are ways it could have been dealt with better. Perhaps an unbiased third party should have been given control while the options were able to be discussed. In short I haven't thought about it enough to give you a detailed response.

I wanted to reply to @tabris because I was a previous sponsor of Steemhunt. Most people will rage and shout accusations. I felt I could respond in a constructive manner.

I don't think pointing a gun on someone's head is a good way to start a discussion.
It was like saying "All your fund is in our control. You can just go away or give something good to us"

BTW, I also think both party have done something wrong with 22.2 and 22.5, and I didn't care because people act for their benefit is very natural thing.
The thing I hate the most is spreading propaganda like "Capital vs Decentralized Community". See what witnesses have done for people in the opposite side - https://github.com/openhive-network/hive/blob/0.23.0/libraries/protocol/hardfork.d/0_22.hf#L15

I understand why the initial 'soft-fork 22.2' was seen as hostile. Ideally there could have been away to all parties to pause and have an unbiased entity step in to help mediate.

It's very difficult when the dispute is over governance it's self. The tools in place are intended to deal with issues via governance mechanics. When those mechanics are in question I'm not sure what should happen.

I don't agree with the the 'selective airdrop'.

  1. Secret soft-fork" - this was a defensive, temporary and reversible action,

I don't see how it was a defensive or temporary move. Basically, it had BS written all over it. It's like saying, "Justin should come meet us because we took his stuff temporarily, but he'd better told us what we want to hear, else we'll probably not return it anymore".

How is this any temporarily to you?

How is this any temporarily to you?

Because it's a soft-fork, a change in future code does not need to undo any history.

If the community decided it didn't like that action after it was announced other witnesses not running 22.2 could have been voted in. IMO if 22.2 witnesses were voted out fairly (non-premine/non-exchange stake) they would have accepted it.

Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

Old witnesses finally decided to hard-fork.
-> This is what they should've done from the first place if they didn't like Steemit's recent acquisition.

The HIVE bosses only want to damage Justin's investment/Steemit. I cannot defend freezing anybody's funds then claiming to be censorship-resistant, which is ridiculous.

I will continue to use steempeak.com and see how this platform recovers, or not?

i am agree with your opinions

Will You continue on steem?

Hi @tabris, how are you doing? Two days ago, I voted for your witness '@steemhunt' with my account and proxy and I explained why I voted on it in this post:

https://steemit.com/hive-148441/@surpassinggoogle/updating-my-steem-witness-voting-list-see-the-additional-witnesses-i-voted-for-kindly-support-the-surpassinggoogle-steem-witness

In the post, I also discussed some things that may be worthy of further discussion in relation to the steem blockchain. Kindly take a look. Where possible, you can share your thoughts as well.

I also started a witness on steem called 'surpassinggoogle'. I announced it here. Where you decide to support it, that would be inspirational.

Is there a group for steem witnesses that is current? I will like to join. I am on discord as 'surpassinggoogle#1660'

Your boy Terry
@surpassinggoogle

Yep, this pretty much sums up how the shitcoin hit the fan...

Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

Honestly, my opinion before Justin Sun bought Steemit Inc. was that Steem already looked like a sinking ship with the promise of SMTs and Communities offering one last decent pump before Steem lost significance and fell from the top 100 into a much lower rank.

Hive has received a nice bit of publicity over this Justin vs. Witnesses battle. Still, I don't believe Hive will be very successful. The people leading the Hive initiative appear to me to simply fear the possibility of them losing control over the little community they ruled.

I suspect that the leaders of the Hive community would rather the community remain small and under their control rather than it to become widely adopted with their hold on witness positions and decision making roles coming loose.

I believe both communities will do "okay" but I sincerely doubt it is wise to hold a large amount of STEEM or HIVE long term. If you're a content creator there is no reason not to post your content on every social network you can. So, logically, you would share your content on both Steem and Hive. But if you're an investor or a dev, if it were me, I'd sooner invest in being an Energi masternode operator or an Ethereum 2.0 validator.

Big Thx for your reply. I think i will stick around on both chains for time being.

It's hard not to agree with your points about "control".

I also figured that you may find this post interesting and worth your time:
https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/project-hope-curation-trail-on-both-chains-steem-and-new-hive

It's post published by good friend of mine and I'm helping him to promote their curation trail.

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