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RE: Some Thoughts On Climate Change

in #politics3 years ago

I'm not a climate change denier. That's a smear of the alternative position, and it's inaccurate. I'm a climate change non-alarmist. Climate change alarmism is a tool of control, and that's all it is.

At no point inhistory has the climate not been in a state of flux. Several factors influence that, including solar activity. About 3% of co2 in the lower atmosphere can be attributed to humans, and certainly it's possible that we're contributing to climate change. It's not valid to claim that we're the primary drivers of it. That's ridiculous. Volcanic activity, forest fires, solar activity, and orbital shifts all contribute just as much if not more. Furthermore, even with the recent spike in co2, levels are actually far lower than they have been for the majority of Earth's history.

But even if we assume that man is the primary cause of global warming, I'm still not willing to give the government any power to act on that assumption. Frankly, I don't trust the researchers, because their grants come people who are interested in control. I certainly don't trust any mainstream publications to accurately represent information relevant to this issue - for the same reason - that their money comes from foundations serving the interests of the power hungry. Finally, the free market is already moving towards more carbon neutral solutions anyway, without the tyranny of carbon taxes that literally amount to taxing people for breathing.

And here's another thing: if the rich and powerful were so concerned about global warming, why are banks they own still funding coastal real estate development? Why are LA, NY, DC, San Francisco and London still their main bases of operations? They're liars. They pay people to lie. It doesn't matter what a con man says. You have to ignore anything pretending to be "evidence" that has been tainted by their support and consider only evidence that is free of their manipulation and lucre.

Ice caps have stopped shrinking and are growing again. Although poorly reported on, scientists are now observing a "global warming hiatus." Even global warming alarmists only claim that ocean levels are rising 1/8" per year. Even IF we assume that that's true, AND that man is 100% responsible, AND that co2 will continue to increase at current rates (which it won't - technology is reducing that, and we will eventually reach peak consumption as the developing world reaches peak consumption and then begins to decline due to technological advancement), then, AT MOST, sea levels will rise a foot over the next century. Sea levels will not rise a foot over the next century. The assumptions that are required to produce that estimate are completely implausible. But even if it were true, it's hysterical to suggest that that means that islands will disappear en masse, and millions of people will be displaced. It's just silly.

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"...if the rich and powerful were so concerned about global warming, why are banks they own still funding coastal real estate development?"

Because their greed, already blinding them to the feelings of other people (like wanting to stay alive), also makes them very stupid as to climate change. Besides they sell their investments and get out as soon as they can turn a big profit. And with people trying to soothe everyone on this issue they can keep on selling their projects to misinformed people. "Soothe" Remind you of anyone?

It takes 30 years to get your money back on mortgage loans. If the land is underwater, you take a loss. You don't make huge intergenerational fortunes by making shortsided decisions. They aren't concerned about global warming. They're interested in using cap and trade to control people and tax them.

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Must be nice to live, like an ostrich, with your head so firmly implanted in the sand. I don't know whether your claim of glaciers gaining ice (suggesting global warming is reversing) comes from your alternate media's lies or your own fantasies. What I find most interesting is that your entire world view begins and ends with the belief that every crisis you can't see or feel for yourself is being used by the "one world order" to take our freedoms away. Yet you no doubt vote for candidates who are taking all of our freedoms away in other ways and turning them over to the corporations. This is what Republicans do, and they are the ones most likely to be climate change deniers. Not that Democrats are much better. They believe climate change is real but do next to nothing about it.

What you miss is that one can be both a believer in the scientific facts showing that we are facing a climate crisis that threatens to extinct the human race, while at the same time be wary of efforts by those in power to use the crisis for their own benefit, to profit off of us or take away our freedoms. What that does not preclude is using our government to create policies and incentives that move us rapidly off of fossil fuels and onto alternative energy. Think of it as a Manhattan Project for alternative energy. And it can certainly be done in a way that avoids scary government controls like the carbon tax, etc.

Now for the facts (not posting for you as your kind is ineducable, but for others with open minds):
Earth’s Ice Loss “Is a Nuclear Explosion of Geologic Change”
By Dahr Jamail
Published October 9, 2018

Much of the frozen water portion of the Earth, otherwise known as the cryosphere, is melting.

This is not news: It’s been happening for decades. What is news is that the long-term melting trends in the Arctic, Antarctica, and with most land-based glaciers are accelerating, often at shocking rates, largely due to human-caused climate change.

Antarctica is melting three times as fast as it was just 10 years ago, alarming scientists. A study earlier this year showed 3 trillion tons of ice had disappeared since 1992. That is the equivalent of enough water to cover the entire state of Texas with 13 feet of water, and raise global sea levels a third of an inch.

“From 1992 to 2011, Antarctica lost nearly 84 billion tons of ice a year (76 billion metric tons),” read the AP story on the study. “From 2012 to 2017, the melt rate increased to more than 241 billion tons a year (219 billion metric tons).”

“I think we should be worried,” one of the study’s 88 co-authors, University of California, Irvine’s Isabella Velicogna, told AP. “Things are happening. They are happening faster than we expected.”

In fact, the polar ice caps have melted faster in the last 25 years than they have in the last 10,000 years.

In the Arctic, the Greenland Ice Sheet is losing an average of 270 billion tons of ice each year, and the strongest sea ice in the region broke up for the first time on record this summer.