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RE: Proposal: Refund 40K USD to make up for missing funds since 22.8888 - 원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다

in #softfork22888811 months ago

Well, this would work, but it's missing detail.

Imagine all that, except those who actively chose to stay in their flooded homes had their new homes' locks changed in order to provide shelter for the homeless (dao). Not only did they choose to stay, but they also actively tried to prevent everyone else from having the financial backing to build barriers to prevent the flood in the first place.

Now, I agree that the precise method in which this was done was flawed, and indeed those caught in the cross-fire by code error are being re-airdropped, and those who were mistaken otherwise will get to let their individual cases be known and airdrop returned. It's a bit messy, but a side-effect of people trying to create a 100% unbiased system. My friend was also caught up in it, and I am delegating 2,000 until things are put right, which could be weeks but that's ok.

But this guy actively voted for all the sockpuppets and, from what I can tell, seems to be calling the new witnesses corrupt liars and thieves (even though their copy of stake doesn't actually go to any witness). Why should they build a new house for such a person? I'm fine to let 'em swim in their own sewage

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new witnesses corrupt liars and thieves

Well the choosing of words is between harsh and insulting on both sides.. It escalated rather quickly.. -.-

Why should they build a new house for such a person? I'm fine to let 'em swim in their own sewage

Because the "eye for eye, hand for hand" justice brought humanity many many years of tears, sorrow and revenge.
And Hive had the chance for a clean fresh new start by simply excluding the real thread of the "ninja stake".

The reasoning for some to actively vote the sockpuppets was: "it is good to have fresh wind/investor; the freezing of the legally bought stake of Mr. Sun was a mistake/crime"
Imo a legit opinion and I am very much in favour to welcome these folks warmly if they want to join Hive.

Hand for a hand analogy is not comparable. This is not a situation where one does damage, the other does damage, we call it even (the premise of the idiom). I expect I don't have to explain that to you should you read again.

I am very much in favour to welcome these folks warmly if they want to join Hive.

Well, this is leading to a very circular argument that has been exhaustively debated already, so you can get that info from other debates, but nobody is banned from Hive. All are still welcome there, warmly or otherwise (being warm is not a requirement in a decentralized environment).

The only difference is the ones who were actively acting against decentralisation don't get free money from their enemies. This seems daft to me.

Imagine that in the real world:

'Hey you just oppressed and colonized our nation, so we moved away to another land. Here, take a bunch of our wealth as an incentive to join us here, too'.

As I've said plenty of times, I don't necessarily agree exactly how the specific code was implemented, and there were genuine mistakes that are to be corrected (it happens all the time). Those who had innocent intent can get their stake in the next hardfork, and those who did not, will not.

If there should be a few collateral who cannot get their stake and had innocent intent, well, they aren't losing anything. They still have their steem, and they also gain a free Hive account.

Everybody wins, to me.

Imagine that in the real world:
'Hey you just oppressed and colonized our nation, so we moved away to another land. Here, take a bunch of our wealth as an incentive to join us here, too'.

Historically this was often one of the most stable solutions.
Like in Nazi-Germany (no other comparison of situations intended!) when the major leaders got punished, but the followers got spared, as the country would have been completely destroyed with a well done "cleaning".

But it is hard to judge who was innocent, who tried to find a compromise, who simply trusted Sun to create a better Steem and who would use their fund only to harm Hive.. For me all but the latter should get their airdrop.

Time will show if the community took severe damage, of if we manage to grow stronger than ever :)