Different teams with different goals for the future of Steem

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Dear reader - Steem has been renamed to Hive since May 2020. My content therefore has moved with me to Hive, and I hope to see you there: peakd.com/@soyrosa.


Team 4: Those of us caught in the crossfire.

Kind of hard to make a decision when you're being shot at from every direction. Not all shots hurt, of course. Some sting. Some could have long lasting consequences. Positive or negative. When it's all coming at you at once though, it's kinda hard to know which ones to dodge.

All I can do is watch right now. If I could do more than that, I'd do more than that.

Yes - Team 4 is having a hard time. We have to wait and trust people to make the right decisions and provide us with a future we want to be a part of. I'm definitely hoping I will find that place. I've been forced to move houses before and I must say sometimes I didn't know I was going to get something that was really suitable for me until I had lived there for a few months.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll create some artwork on Hives and Bees and Honey and such at some point <3

I was pushed out onto the streets once in my life, and not for lack of effort. Everything around me simply fell apart. I couldn't stop it.

I'll be where I belong.

Everything around me simply fell apart. I couldn't stop it.

I've heard stories that started with 'I forgot to pay one (!) bill' that ended like that.

I'll be where I belong.

Me too :-)

I am with you there, I just lie back and watch, right now I am more worried about the lock down I am in and my not being able to even go out my gate. Whatever happens here will happen, there is really not much that I can do. I will decide what to do when things seem more clear.

Here's a sneak peak: http://hive.io/

Yikes, typo on the about page for "Ressource," sigh

Lol, when I posted the URL it was still empty, but YES it's a website now! Here's the post: https://steempeak.com/communityfork/@hiveio/announcing-the-launch-of-hive-blockchain

Ooo, will have a look! Cheers lass!!

Thank you for summing it up like this. I honestly haven't been paying attention to all the details, but it's nice to get the notes. I'm not making any choices yet. Hope everyone can find a way to work together.

Feel better, my friend!

Thanks! I have been a bit out of the loop as well, at some point everyone was just yelling at twitter and I tuned out. This is what I felt was happening after 2 hours on Steem today :D But you never know, maybe there's another team working behind the scenes on an even different plan.

When all things are in place I think it will show where the place is that feels most like 'home', the place we feel we built and cherish. That place might have a different look and feel, but there's probably that magical thing that makes it 'like Steem'.

We'll see. Hugs!

What a crazy time we've been living in....

Really does seem like a movie. I hope whatever happens, this community sticks together and keeps building a better internet....That was the vision for so many before this started.

Yes. I'll be at the place that tries to achieve that. From what I can see now that place might not be called Steem anymore. Exciting times, and something to look back on in a few months or years time. Hope it turned out to be good for all of us.

I hope you are feeling better!

I personally believe that a 'new chain' only works if we all indeed move to that chain, have all activity and dApps there.

That's the only sure thing and I really hope that this would be the case or else we might end up with two crippled chains.

I don't really want to move, but will go where the community is. I am definitely not going to stay anywhere where the chain is centralised, or has no decent devs. Starting a witness node and coding a development hardfork are two different things.

I don't really want to move either, but hey, if you have a lovely house and then someone decides to block the view buy building a skyscraper in front of it suddenly your lovely house might start feeling a lot less like home, even though much of it stayed the same.

I'm definitely in mourning. I hope I will feel celebrative in a few weeks time when I see how everything comes together.

Who knows, perhaps @theycallmedan and @starkerz will pull off a miracle - but I am not sure what condition the community would be in to accept terms with Justin Sun now.

i don't know why but i feel it is to late for that. he had a month to do something positive, and there were a lot of options where he would earn money and community would be ok with it. if he just came out today and said i am giving 50% of the stake to SPS i would still feel blah.

Yep, I agree. It is going to be interesting to watch it all unfold though. Steem isn't dead, just as we know it.


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That's the thing, I feel a naive hope we can 'stay on Steem' but I can't see how that could be achieved, it seems too much damage was done.

Here's hoping

Great article. Get well fast @soyrosa ❤❤❤❤

Thanks a lot @yogajill! <3 Hope you feel well :-)

Not all that optimistic about any of these teams, but they all have something good. Some thoughts.

  1. After the EIP being voted in by the old bunch of witnesses, I don't feel giving a new set of community witnesses a try at things would be a bad idea.
  2. Forking out ninja mined stake seems long overdue, so yeah that part is great.
  3. Targeting specific accounts doesn' t really address the reputation that STEEM being a ninja mined shitcoin will spill into the new fork. Rebase + replay is the only real way to do an airdrop that would truly erase ninja mined stake in the new chain.
  4. In the end, I think for me, non of the above will end up being decisive as I' ll probably just move wherever steem-engine decides to make its home.

A couple of things I know for sure: Ned is no longer here. Justin would really like to be here, but he's not really here, either. Both of those seem to be really good right this minute.

The Ninja Mined Stake has been the biggest economic drag on the whole system since day one. Even the inept Ned and the pushy Justin can't compete.

In all truth, I'm going to go where you go. You are about the most reasoned voice I know and I'm just positive we'll end up in the same general area.

Now I have one more question. Will Hive (or what ever the front end is called) allow for links to open in a new window? I really mess up the back arrow thingie on a regular basis, including when I clicked your hive preview.

I don't want to be anywhere where Justin is. Many westerners still don't understand how evil the CCP can be and the type of dirty tricks they can get up to, so please don't be fooled by any gestures you may see.

Finally someone who dares to say it! I'm not sure if the CCP is in it but I'm damn sure Justin has no good intentions! I've had this feeling from day one, since the famous AMA in which he looked like dropped from the moon. Many have said the acquisition has been leaked and that's why he was so unprepared, knew very little about the ecosystem, the community and Steem in general.
I had a different opinion but kept it to myself. He knew nothing about us and the chain because he had no plan with us, other than to destroy us and the stunts he has pulled confirm my suspicions.

Great summary of the current situation. My first reaction was pure excitement but now nostalgia is kicking in... Leaving Steem for a new place will probably be harder than I thought but I am ready to go. As a devoted minimalist, I don´t even have much stuff to pack :)

Get well soon Rosa, being ill these days is not very cool.

Hello @soryrosa , I wanted to thank you for this post, because it speaks the truth with all situation observed.

If STEEM had a success, I believe it was thanks to its community and the people within the community who felt inspired enough to create something, some new service to the community.

I, for one, observe in the situations you described above, that some moves are political, whereas others are "from the heart". Not from the ego, but inspired by the will of removing "ill intent" from the chain and be clean of political power.

Now, I don't think anything "absolutely bad" of a given team, I think we are among contributors, creators, innovative entrepreneurs in all this. Sun disregarded answering to the requests of the community early one and made some very bad moves. I think he had some chance to fix this but could not, it went too badly. Yet all these people could be people I admire (well, minus some mistakes I disapprove strongly).

However, there is political power on one side, joined by people betraying the ones who did so much service, and this is something... I don't know, I feel it's bad. Like, absolutely bad.

What is important when something bad happens is the degree of resistance you put against it. This is what can define an "equilibrium", a "balance", making it so that "bad moves" are costly, so they are not scalable and we have some "great places of freedom". In STEEM the balance will be hard to maintain after this event. This event is the show of resistance.

I have been using STEEM "only" for one year. I used the services that all others made, which have low cost. I have seen the steemit employees resign in just a few days. I stand with the ones who made all these services because I already know what their heart is made of.

This is how I resist, and help to define a rightful balance, where "bad moves" are costly. I am joining HIVE with my project because this is how resistance can be shown by human people.

No one gets to make me choose. I'll pick after I see how each team performs under the current situation.

If this is what you come up with when you're "not in a perfect writing mood" then the rest of us should stop bothering to write at all! 😉 😆

Seriously, this is a clear & excellent (unlike the situation) summation of the latest developments. My gut tells me that as much as we'd like to save our current Steem home, I don't see the leopard changing his spots any time soon. One thing is for certain - the witnesses, devs, and community members involved in this have been truly inspirational with their work & commitment, and I had no doubt they'll find the best path forward.

Hope you get some good rest, and feel better soon @soyrosa! 🤗

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