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RE: A look at Steemit.inc delegation philosophy.

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While I understand the general presence of your post, I feel it's somewhat contradictory.

@curie are such an excellent asset, and they have supported my Engagement league for months. However, I don't feel they are a key element in attracting users to Steem - retaining them to a certain extent, yes.

The projects that @ned has delegated to via @misterdelegation are the applications that are likely to grow and promote the blockchain to the outside world.

Delegations to the likes of utopian-io, fundition, dlive, dtube, steemhunt, and recently steempress-io have the potential to bring users who blog, vlog, fund raise, and develop, at present on the WWW to Steem. (I'm also hoping that @oracle-d get a look-in for delegation as this project has the potential to bring in a different category of account as to those above - investors).

Again, I support @curie and @comedyopenmic with witness votes, delegation, and votes where I can, but if feel it is the applications that are developed on the Steem blockchain that have the most potential to attract new users and investors - and if the content/rewards are in-line with expectations, they will stick around. So based on that, I have no real issue with how ned has spread over 16 million SP out thus far.

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Well i have to disagree. As i wrote above its about retention and attracting users .
Dtube/dlive/dsound/Utopian without the ability to give out rewards would not be able to attract many users. That is the harsh truth. Streamers, Video creators, musicians all go to a platform that offers them a potential for a strong viewership, that in turn leads to profit.
So on your point that those platforms have the potential to promote the Steem blockchain externally arent really valid. They base their sucess on Mega delegations and the blockchain technology. Their promoting potential is very close to the same level of #openmic, @curie...
Its the earning potential that is important. Its always been about that.
So my question is why are all the curation projects completely ignored while the content placement projects whose main draw-in is the curation aspect, arent?

Steempress has extremely limited reach or potential on the grand scale of things. Not saying that it shouldnt have received the delegation, but honestly some curation projects achieve the same thing, with a much bigger potential audience, with much less.
Consider Steempress results without the delegation.
Honestly, if you cant make it on your own and attract interest with your work, then i dont think you deserve to be given any support for free.

Openmic and Curie reached the point they did on their own, with the hard work of people involved. They werent given anything and achieved so much. Now consider how much they could achieve with the same treatment others have.

I just dont think applications cut it on theit own.. There are millions upon millions of applications on the internet, mayn of them similar to the ones here...
The attraction is in the rewards. Rewards attracts users, the more users you have the more quality you accumulate. And without being able to give rewards i dont think any of these platforms would be that successful at this point.
We will need to wait a long time until dtube/dlive/dsound can compete in terms site development. There is a huge gap in money involved between a soundcloud/youtube/twitch and dtube/dlive/dsound.

Those 3 applications have massive potential, and if everything goes as expected they will thrive, but the point is that other projects can contribute as well, and already do without any help.

Dtube/dlive/dsound/Utopian without the ability to give out rewards would not be able to attract any users.

Perhaps, but this is also true for @curie no?

In the past, @curie had over a million in delegations, val-a (or b) being the main delegator, and I suspect he is related to Steem inc.

So on your point that those platforms have the potential to promote the Steem blockchain externally arent really valid. Their promoting potential is very close to the same level of #openmic, @curie...

I disagree. If i was a singer of a blogger without any knowledge of Steem, and I ran a google search on where i could produce content that could be rewarded, it is the dapps that would appear, and not the accounts of Steem.

The idea to boost the dapps for as long as possible, so that they can then stand on their own is a valid approach to me. Sure it would be nice to see the communities mentioned above large delegations also - perhaps more user accounts can contribute in the mean time.

Is it not proving my point that a Steem.inc employee removed support for Curie?
Yes. The dapps would appear.

and I ran a google search on where i could produce content that could be rewarded

Exactly. Thats the curation aspect i talk about. The earning potential is what people are interested in. And its not only dapps that offer it.

And i really dont think anyone googles that. How it really starts is through word of mouth and networking. How much something is written and spoken about on the internet.
Give a musician few hundred dollars, or a blogger and see how much he will spread that around.

Every website writes: "Hey you can produce content here and get rewarded".

People tend to distrust those things. What creates interest is people ecstatic about those 100$ they made.

is it not proving my point that a Steem.inc employee removed support for Curie?

Yes, if this account was steem inc related, and not just a kind user supporting an early initiative to reward excellent content, prior to there being dapps/bots.

The dapps do what curie does, but to a more restricted type of content. But they have with them another front-end to Steem. This is the future, along with SMT.

If I was to mention Steem to someone now (as I did 3 days ago), I take the route of dtube, utopian, and fundition.

Do you make videos?

Are you an open source developer?

Ahh you run a justgiving page, check these guys out...

Explaining that there is an account that may reward you once (a month) for an exceptional piece of content is not how I've gone about it.

I honestly get where you are coming from, I'm a curie curator, delegator, witness voter, and benefactor for my weekly EL post, but I do not consider them as main drivers to push this blockchain forward, and with sadness, neither does ned.

And thats good. Having Curie that will reward you once a month for quality content.
Strength of Steem comes from diversified projects that contribute in their own way.
Openmic is about rewarding quality musicians. Curie is about rewarding quality content across the board. Utopian is about open-source projects. Dtube. Dlive.... Etc...

I think our discussion diverged from my argument that non content placement projects deserve support from Steemit.inc to a discussion about dapps...
Again. Its not that they should not receive delegation. Its that other projects like the ones i listed should as well.

Everyone is beating around the bush but I'll tell it to you straight. Curators used to receive official delegations but there's a reason why @surpassinggoogle is the only one who retained his. It's as simple as that.